And exocide (ph) and biocide. They landed two months later on 7 May with the 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines. [1] According to a recent email that circulated to various Vietnam veterans, Fonda reportedly beat one POW, and betrayed the confidence of another, resulting in his death. Christopher Andersen, Citizen Jane (New York: Henry Holt and Company. MacArthur was denied his request to attack enemy forces massing across the Yalu border in preparation for attack. He collects a group of American POWs from their septic dungeons, cleans them up, and has them mustered on parade to show his guest how well his embattled nation treats its prisoners. I mean, he realized that. Heres a transcript of her remarks so you can judge for yourself. 's and eMediaMillWorks, Inc.'s copyrights or other proprietary rights or interests in the material. Maybe. Each of them suggested that they had done at least one interview with Fonda, and individually they were looking into the historical accuracy behind the claims made about Fonda and why she became such a lighting rod for controversy. She was a symbol of a divided nation. Fox News has enhanced the careers of numerous women who have served as hosts. Though Fonda has been an activist throughout her life, the only other time she has spent the night in jail was in 1970, when she was 32, on a speaking tour protesting the Vietnam War. Many Americans traveled to MacArthur asked Truman to permit Chiang Kai-Shek's troops to fight with Americans against the Red Chinese. Why? Fonda wasnt deterred. Her name was Jane Fonda. It hurts me, she said, and it will to my grave that I made a huge, huge mistake that made a lot of people think I was against the soldiers., The Dragon Lady: How Madame Nhu helped escalate the Vietnam War. CHRIS WALLACE: Your most famous protest was 50 years ago when you went to North Vietnam at the height of the war there. He hadnt liked the story but at least was willing to discuss it. Again the secret policy of the financiers was: "containment of communism" while disallowing an American victory. YOU'VE REACHED YOUR MONTHLY ARTICLE LIMIT. Jane didnt make her infamous and idiotic trip to Hanoi until 1972. The POWs are beaten. LBJ and Congress share responsibility for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, with its dubious basis, and everything that followed. Its folklore, but folklore of a curiously evolved sort. Fonda hasapologized for the liars and hypocrites statement, which she said she made out of anger that the Nixon Administration was lying about the extent of the POW torture for propaganda purposes. That begs the question, responsible for what? CHRIS WALLACE: Who the people in the Nixon administration? : Yes, that one story was true. She now works at Reuters. Legal Statement. However, when my credibility is challenged, I will respond. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Four die; one, Col. Larry Carrigan, survivesjust barely, but it is he who tells about the incident. She said in a 1973 interview elaborating on the hypocrites and liars statement that it would be understandable for the North Vietnamese to torture POWs who tried to escape. Richard Morgan, There's no statute of limitations on it. The story surfaced on the Internet in 1999, and my guess is that it will live there a long time. The Roger Ailes and Bill OReilly scandals have cast even some old departures in a new light. Some lawmakers calledher actions treason. It is possible that the Vietnamese had it all planned. And you were photographed sitting on an anti aircraft gun. "There's no disputing that Jane Fonda toured North Vietnam, propagandized on behalf of the communists, and participated in an orchestrated "press conference" with American POWs in 1972. War materiel, shipped via the Even so, the main focus of my essay was whether Jane Fonda participated in war crimes, not whether she was morally culpable for her part as an apologist for the mistreatment of POW's (she was). The war was being fought by the air during during the Nixon administration. WebNevertheless, there are Vietnam veterans out there who served in the war zone before 1969 who are convinced that Jane Fonda was in cahoots with the Commies during their own Donald Jane Fonda came clean in an interview with Chris Wallace about her Hanoi Jane days and her failure as a mother. I mean, the reality is, there were 24,000 American troops on the ground in South Vietnam. She called our POWs hypocrites and liars and referred to their torture as understandable. And heres Cat Ballou, the beautiful daughter of Young Abe Lincoln, of Mister Roberts, beaming down from a machine designed to kill them. The POWs who were there have denied that this ever occurred. They realized that the war was wrong, that we werent wanted there. Im not you know, they all went to jail. Mr. Nolan wrote something that helped me better understand the fury of this sort of reaction. The U.S. government secretly abets communism around the globe, then sends in the American military to "contain the communist menace". It was the last day of my two week time there. After we published Peter Braunsteins article on Jane Fonda in our July/August issue, perhaps 60 people sent me this story. A photograph caught her looking through the scope of an anti-aircraft gun, surrounded by revolutionaries. I have had my say. But literally working hand-in-hand with the enemy to promote their cause to a worldwide audience was not protected by the First Amendment then just as it is not protected now. Yeah, said my stepdaughter, Jill, when I told her about this. Rumors spread and still persist that she betrayed them by accepting secret notes and then turning them over to the North Vietnamese. The cameras flash. But newly discovered tapes tell a very, very different story. But the reality of it is, Alan, this is a woman,who I quite frankly feel sorry for. One presumably claimed to have been struck by her, while another claimed to have had his confidence betrayed to his Communist captors. If a prisoner tried to escape, it is quite understandable that he would probably be beaten and tortured.. Here it is. officer gets an idea. No article of ours gets hundreds of letters, but this one did, very few of them friendly. Heres how we saw the article we ran: It is a survey of the singular career of a woman who both drove and was driven by many of the largest social concerns of her era, and who came to embody some of them. CHRIS WALLACE: Your most famous protest was 50 years ago when you went to North Vietnam at the height of the war there. Do any right-wingers ever decry the fact that Bush and the conservatives overthrew Aristide because he was a socialists----then invited the Chinese Communists in to our hemisphere? All rights reserved. Legal Statement. or redistributed. quote: Fonda was a political activist in the counterculture era during the "Flashpoint Vietnam," the real story about the road to the war. I'm sorry I hurt you, Alan, and I hope you can forgive me." She claimed she was sexually harassed by correspondent Brian Wilson and later spoke out against Fox News' culture after the Ailes scandal broke. The one story that was true never touched the question of whether or not she directly participated in war crimes. In her 2005 memoir, My Life So Far, Fonda wrote of the infamous photo this way: Still,for some veterans, no apology from Fonda will ever change their views of her as an adversaryof America and the troops during wartime. And its about a woman who had a capacity for reinvention that, like Jay Gatsbys, was the more effective for her whole-souled belief in what she devised. However, the fact that she advocated Communism does not give anyone license to make up stories or slander. Enjoy the rest of the conversation. but not for the rest of it. False. The 85-year-old Fonda has had a lengthy career as a Hollywood icon that includes her current turn in the film 80 For Brady, an equally long stint as an outspoken liberal, a fitness craze that began in the infancy of home video, and much more. After all, she is an American; surely shell carry the message home to the families that their husband or son is alive. Shewas arrested before she got the chance, just as she had been at Fort Lewis, Wash., Fort Hood, Tex., and Fort Bragg, N.C. Fonda told The Post shed made talking to GIs herfull-time job. Almost all the messages said we had no business writing about Fonda because she was a traitor. We once published an admiring profile of Benedict Arnoldwhose actions did the nation real damage in a way Fondas fulminations never couldand nobody made a peep. In July of 1972, she made two trips to Hanoi which earned her the nickname Hanoi Jane. I make it a habit not to intervene as an intern. I don't want people putting words into my mouth, saying "you're going to tell us all these bankers and financiers are Jewish", for instance. He was denied his request to gather intelligence by aerial reconnaissance over China. There is certainly no doubt that the country was basically split down the middle on the idea of our military presence in SE Asia, and as Americans we were all free to protest the war to our hearts' content. Us veterans will never forget or forgive her posing on a North Viet anti-aircraft gun, regardless whatever else she may or may not have done. I'm not going to tell you anything of the sort. CNN anchorChris Wallace grilled Hollywood legend and activist Jane Fonda over her controversial visit to North Vietnam that caused millions to dub her Hanoi Jane, and got a full spectrum response on the subject. ( New York: G.P. Finally the brainwashed, confused, exhausted American public forced our government to surrender. There was a real Colonel Carrigan, and he was a POW in Vietnam. Please try again later. In July 1972, during the waning days of U.S. military involvement in Vietnam, actress Jane Fonda incurred the enmity of untold thousands of Vietnam veterans and their families (as well as service members for generations to come) when she arrived in Hanoi, North Vietnam, and began a two-week tour of the country. To begin with, the title is deliberately misleading: his real point has nothing to do with Jane Fonda. And that we probably couldnt win it not because they werent a fabulous soldiers. But look, you have more to talk to us about something you're going to show us. I mean, the reality is, there were 24,000 American troops on the ground in South Vietnam. Lets break down her remarks. Fonda said that whileshe may have been tricked into taking the picture, The buck stops here. And four months later, the bombing stopped of the dikes. From Urban Legends: Dr. Rockefeller certainly did not defend Communism as a "Jewish" system, since it is the Hebrew Bible that was the basis of our Common Law, and hence much of our Constitutional Order. Its more than being a traitor; millions of Americans felt treasonous during that war. Hows this for a story? But She so symbolized the divided nation, hawks arrayed against her and doves siding with her, that she became a personal target, most recently with allegations about personal involvement in the mistreatment of POWs. (Later, after 58,152 American dead were just names on a wall, declassified US Navy logs revealed there had been no torpedo attack!). The reality of it is an apology is saying, "I am sorry, I really do apologize for what I did over there, and I'm asking for your forgiveness." Hanoi Jane told 60 Minutes that photos snapped while she sat on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal and the largest lapse of judgment I can imagine. Though she did say, meeting the locals, other artists, and intellectuals were well worth it. Fondas transformation from actress to activist began several years earlier. During the photo sessions during her visit to Vietnam, she strongly believed were setups and a grave mistake on her part. I think so, and I would hope that all Americans will at least speak their minds at the movie box office and refuse to further enrich one of the greatest American traitors. She and actor Donald Sutherland started an anti-USO troupe to counter Bob Hopes famous shows for the troops. In fact, when the Tet Offensive broke, Jane Fonda was the featured pinup girl in that months issue of Leatherneck , the official publication of the Marines. If I was Vietnamese, I probably would have tried to do the same thing, you know, but I should not have gone. Johnson solemnly announced that "Communist aggression must be stopped as a threat to American security!" Please support this 72-year tradition of trusted historical writing and the volunteers that sustain it with a donation to American Heritage. ED GRUMMETT, USMC: The night before we made the landing at Chu Yuan (ph) we were listening to Hanoi Hannah and how they were going to annihilate us on the beach. . Ive never really wanted to settle.. She went to tour the countrys Fonda moves down the line, greeting each man with encouragements like Arent you ashamed you killed babies? as she shakes his hand. If a prisoner tried to escape, it is quite understandable that he would probably be beaten and tortured., Also Read: How Jane Fonda Explains 'Hanoi Jane': 'Regret to My Dying Day', Even she had to apologize years later for that gun picture True. Thus, Europe, Russia, China, Korea, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Thailand, Japan, the Middle East were turned into killing grounds, and their existing governments destroyed. Imagine its the Battle of the Bulge and Betty Grable is up on top of a German tank saying the Yanks are fighting an evil war. Its not a preposterous analogynot as far as the soldiers involved are concerned. How did we get into this war? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. According to the email she visited Hanoi in 1968. Considering the admonition about Caesar's wife, perhaps HNN should remove you as an intern. This weekend's special I mean, this is very moving. Was Jane Fonda's sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun that was used to shoot at and kill Americans, and launching an anti-American PR campaign with the North Vietnamese giving aid and comfort? Many Americans disapproved of Fondas comments I said that the POWs claiming torture were liars, hypocrites, and pawns. She sided with the Viet Cong as revolutionary liberators. And she travelled to Hanoi at a time when North Vietnamese soldiers were killing Americans. Its going to look like I was trying to shoot down U.S. planes! Nixon has responsibility for everything he did or didn't do on his watch. Its something very like the worst sort of lovers betrayal, the deep wound that time itself often is powerless to heal. Halyburton told him that the POW's had tried to debunk them even though they regarded Fonda as an unsympathetic figure. She continued openly to question the accounts of the U.S. government and American POWs, who told devastating stories of the torture they endured at the hands of the North Vietnamese. Outspoken host Elisabeth Hasselbeck left "The View" to join "Fox & Friends" in 2013, which she exited at the end of 2015. How unfair! Once U.S. forces were committed in large numbers the U.S. federal government, as in Korea, prohibited them from attacking specified enemy sanctuaries (staging areas) into which the communists retreated, regrouped, re-armed and launched renewed attacks. They hadnt been able to vote on the virtues of the conflict, and they found themselves in mortal peril in the midst of an ugly, painful ordeal that a lot of vocal people back home thought was a criminal enterprise. The great General Douglas MacArthur drove the North Koreans, led by Red Chinese FONDA: I'm charging the government with genocide, with genocide. Fonda moves down the line, greeting each man with encouragements like Arent you ashamed you killed babies? as she shakes his hand. By denying their mistreatment or not investigating their treatment,in an effort to sway public opinion to her own perceived vision of the national interest, she did harm to her countrymen in captivity. Transcription Copyright 2005 eMediaMillWorks, Inc. (f/k/a Federal Document Clearing House, Inc.), which takes sole responsibility for the accuracy of the transcription. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. My question is, when will people like Fonda and Kerry (unlike Joan Baez) take responsibility for what they have wrought -- the totalitarian system that gave us re-education camps and the boat people? It wasnt firing at the time, and Fonda said in 2011 she hardly even thought about where I was sitting and that itis possible that it was a set up, that the Vietnamese had it all planned.. Fonda may have regrets about those photos in particular, but shes never regretted her political activism. ET!. The media heaped calumny on U.S. military leadership; presented biased, horrifying scenes depicting "the wanton killing of Vietnamese civilians", and the "degeneracy" of our fighting men and women. America. The Ms. , we thought, would signal a bit of ironic distance from the broad, ingenu- ous affection contained in Miss America., It evidently didnt. "KOREA: Shortly thereafter Truman, with Congress averting its eyes, committed U.S. troops to Korea. For the next severalyears, Fonda would continue as one of the most prominent public faces in the antiwar movement. Jane Fonda came clean in an interview with Chris Wallace about her Hanoi Jane days and her failure as a mother. Screw you. Jane Fondas first impression of Americas involvement in Vietnam was that it was a just cause. However, since the majority of the stories cited in the e-mail have no proof behind them, I had to either give the e-mail "thumbs down" or "thumbs up" on the basis of the overall validity. President Lyndon Johnson, Democrat, in a special address to the American public, reported an attack upon a U.S. naval vessel in the Tonkin Gulf by a North Vietnamese torpedo boat. I am going to let the extract stand as it is, containing just enough truth to be uncomfortable, I think. In 2015, about 50 veterans stood outside theWeinberg Center for the Arts in Frederick, Md., to protest Fondas appearance there. Here's the record, number one: you've got the photo on the anti-aircraft gun that you add on during the transition. Sending Out Veterans' Benefits, The Executive Branchs Response to the Flood of 1927, The Case For Calling the Language "American", America Fought Its Own Battle Over Books Before it Fought the Nazis. [2] While criticizing America, she made laudatory comments about the Soviet Union. Talking Points, WATCH: Greg Gutfeld and Bill Maher Riff About Incest Porn Because They Are Hilarious Comedians And Hell Exists, Cocaine Bear, Hold My Beer: Production Company Behind Sharknado Releasing Meth Gator Movie This Summer. placement: 'Right Rail Thumbnails', She was young and famous at the time, maybe the Iraqi insurgents could get some of the present crop of empty headed celebrities, Britney Spears perhaps, to pose next to those Muslim mopes in robes and head towels while they aim their weapons. Troop B, 2nd squadron, 17th Cavalry, RVN, 1969-70 1990) Pages 121-123. You have "War Stories" coming up. I think that there is a lot of selectivity going on. NORTH: These are the things that this woman did, and she has not apologized. As in Korea, communist spies within the U.S. government released vital information to the enemy. She has reportedly been shopping a tell-all book this year. Peter Braunsteins article speculated that Jane Fonda had this ability to a degree unique in modern times. Colonel, Michelle Malkin (search) actually discovered other quotes that she had said. Liberals in America's streets "protested" our victories and exulted in our defeats - thus, in patriots' eyes, giving the war a raison d'etre. JANE FONDA: it was a mistake to go, I never wanted to go to any military installations. Jane Fonda remains unforgiven. 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Due to actions and images some people consider unpatriotic or treasonous, she earned Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Rudi Bakhtiar jumped from CNN to Fox News in 2006. I should have been clearer that my anger back then was at the Nixon Administration. Whether youre a lifelong resident of D.C. or you just moved here, weve got you covered. She apologized for being on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun site. She went to tour the countrys dike system, which was rumored to have been intentionally bombed by American forces something the U.S. government to this day forcefully denies. I sang a song. The Nixon Justice Department poured over the transcripts of my broadcasts trying to find a way to put me on trial for treason but they could find none. Jane Fonda was always an outspoken opponent of the Vietnam War. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. That is not my place. [3] She praised the USSR for their support of the Viet Cong. CHRIS WALLACE: So when you say it was a terrible mistake. At that time, over 60,000 American soldiers had lost their lives, and almost one million Vietnamese. Maybe John Nolte of Breitbart had the best of intentions, but his essay We Should Accept Jane Fondas Apology About Vietnam is an ethics mess. Quite the contrary. One showed her applauding North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gunners. And heres Cat Ballou, the beautiful daughter of Young Abe Lincoln, of Mister Roberts, beaming down from a machine designed to kill them. 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It evidently didnt. You will not be surprised to hear that I have bowdlerised the above considerably, removing racial designators and course expressions of various sorts. Ms. Fonda only met with those POW's who had sold out their fellow POW's, who willingly (without torture) made propaganda statements for their captors, and who enjoyed privileges of medical care, food, and even night-time excursions into Hanoi to watch movies in return. Jane didnt make her infamous and idiotic trip to Hanoi until 1972. Id been getting pretty sour about the incensed patriots who would curse me and my family and confidently speak on behalf of all veterans living and dead, and the Great Jehovah and the Continental Congress, to declare I was a disgrace to America for running that storythen conclude by smugly assuring me they would never read it. target_type: 'mix' She has said that she regrets doing this. Jane Fonda was on 3 times this week talking about her new book. WebJane Fonda & TheVietnam War. It wasnt firing at the time, and Fonda said in 2011 she hardly even thought about where I was sitting and that it is possible that it was a set up, that the Vietnamese Hundreds of Americans had gone to North Vietnam, journalists diplomats, our Secretary of State Ramsey Clark, Vietnam veterans, but I said but a movie star hasnt gone and maybe if I go it will draw more attention, and thats what it did.
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